and low growth environment. that makes sense to me. >> aren't financials a leadership group? if they can't lead doesn't that bode poor for the market? >> we still like financials. i think they're underowned. >> you disagree with the premise? >> we have nim headwind -- >> nim? >> i thought the meant the national institute of mental health. >> maybe, maybe. you can't tell the difference sometimes. >> you've downgraded the financials. >> still overweight insurance. neutral on the banks for a while, the regional banks for a while. it was more specific to the capital market sense of the games, the investment banks, the brokerage firms, asset managers, that kind of area. >> if we get a deal, how much does the market rally? >> i know a lot of clients say they'll chase this market up 2%. they want to be flat. if the market gets a big bid, they'll chase it. i think you'll get a beta chase. i think it's quite possible to be 1430 by year end. >> do you chase it? >> i think if we get a deal mid to late december, that's when